Topic: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
I've seen pictures of them on k9-4's but will they work well on a k9-3?
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Hi Macca. Yes the K93 will run a rock breaker. Currently the units we deck out for either the K93 or K94,
Are the Italian Socomec DMS95 Breaker. Both machines have plenty of flow and pressure to operate this unit with ease. The breaker can take the full flow off the big pump at max rpm. Most find that 3/4 rpm is more than enough to do there jobs.
Regards
Hamish Wiggens
Dingo Australia
Perth WA
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Hi Macca
Yeah the breakers do fit the k93 I rented one of a hire mob at springwood as the were honestly the only mob that do rent them out, Ran Of my K93 perfectly for pretty much the whole day did get hot though but in the end busted up the slab nicely..
Ryan
All Round Dingo Service
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Hey Macca,
I have a K93 pro and run a lifton Lh70 on it quite regularly, a few points I will mention that are not in the above two replys are: when running the breaker undo the top bolt on the crowd ram as it will probably break the weld with the vibration, and just put some tape around the pin to keep it in place until finished. After a days work on the breaker replace the front bearings for new ones as they tend to vibrate to pieces with time on breaker. always run the lifton at 3/4 throttle only. When you finish check that the crowd ram is still tight against the mountplate clevis.
Hope this helps
Regards
Brad
Dirty Deeds
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Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
yeh thanks Brad.
I only have bushes, not bearings but I'm sure it would vibrate the s**t out the machine. Does anyone know of a hand held hydraulic breaker that would run off the dingo? I'm sure there are some about but I can't seem to work out which one will match the flow/pressure of the Dingo. They reckon hydraulic breakers are lighter and more powerful than air and electric?
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Atlas Copco SB150 almost broke the dingo in two destroyed the pins.The kanga handled it a lot better..
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Augerman,
Can you tell us what machine you run in your business and how you knew this imformation?
If your just s**t stirring this is the reason a DINGO FORUM should be for DINGO OWNERS ONLY.
Brad Coogan
Dirty Deeds
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
The post/thread is about breakers and this was the result on both my machines and thus the IMformation supplied.Weather you are ford or holden there are other makes out there and therefore different breakers will work different on some machines.The dingo didnt handle this breaker well.So this dirty deed was not done dirt cheap like it or not.
Last edited by Augerman (2010-02-18 10:12:49)
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
I'll be trying a SB 150 for myself as i dont believe a kanga could handle any breaker. I notice you did not list the machine used. Was it a series 8 or earlier machine?
Brad Coogan
Dirty Deeds
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
The Kanga is a 7series Track Diesel.The Dingo is k9-3 for smaller jobs..I would noy use the SB150 on anything less than a 7 series Kanga or bobcat would be better.. The Kanga is more stable due to the tracks .the machine has plenty of grunt to run it however the SB 150 is an awsome bit of gear and it did fry the Dingo a bit ..Also the kanga has an oil cooler and bigger hydraulic oil tank which makes a big diffrence operating the SB150 and it was a hot day.
There is a smaller Atlas available which would suite the Dingo better .this has a 40mm point you will still need a cooler to operate this one however..
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
without coming into the age old debate of dingo vs kanga. the dingo will run 70 or 110 joule hammers with little problems if any. i am guessing the hammer in discussion is a 150 joule hammer. if you read your manual i bet you will find that neither machine has the ability run it properly. not saying it wont do the job but why carry around a hammer that big when a 70 or 110 joule hammer working properly will do the same job as a 150 joule hammer only receiving a maximum of 47-50 litres per minute.that is providing your kanga is it up to spec. also the hammer probably worked fine until you asked the kanga to perform another duty like lift it's arms up or crowd as the kanga only has a single pump to run all circuits the flow would be reduced to the attachment while doing so. if you want a good hammer dingo currently stocks socomec hammers ring your local brach for details and specs. these hammers are available for k93's and 4's.
personally i believe the k94 would have a far better chance of running the attachment in question. based on previous experience with these machines.but as i said before, why drag something around that big if you cant use it to its full potential.
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
I had atlas copco sbc70 on my 950D biggest piece of s%*t 
leaked oil from first day I brought this from dingo didnt get much help from them with repairs after 3 reseals at my cost atlas copco offered me $2k trade in on sb 100 should have brought this one first only $300 more than sbc70 had no problems with bigger hammer still going 4 years later without a drama 
Regards Leo
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
mrfixito wrote:
without coming into the age old debate of dingo vs kanga. the dingo will run 70 or 110 joule hammers with little problems if any. i am guessing the hammer in discussion is a 150 joule hammer. if you read your manual i bet you will find that neither machine has the ability run it properly. not saying it wont do the job but why carry around a hammer that big when a 70 or 110 joule hammer working properly will do the same job as a 150 joule hammer only receiving a maximum of 47-50 litres per minute.that is providing your kanga is it up to spec. also the hammer probably worked fine until you asked the kanga to perform another duty like lift it's arms up or crowd as the kanga only has a single pump to run all circuits the flow would be reduced to the attachment while doing so. if you want a good hammer dingo currently stocks socomec hammers ring your local brach for details and specs. these hammers are available for k93's and 4's.
personally i believe the k94 would have a far better chance of running the attachment in question. based on previous experience with these machines.but as i said before, why drag something around that big if you cant use it to its full potential.
The SB150 worked fine on both machines.The kanga handled it better on a hot day due to the cooler and larger oil capacity.The SB operates at 16-35 LPM .Single or dual pumps there is only so much oil can be moved at any one time.The smaller sb100 is better for the 9-3..This was the obsevation on the day.
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
I used an SBC60 on the 950D for 5yrs had no problems from new, bought a K94 Pro and had no end of problems and damage, after 4 1/2yrs finally told it was the breaker causing all the problems. Appears the 94 with its greater oil flow and higher pressure was to great (which is what blows the seals, one guy says his SBC 70 leaked from day one, cause, to higher engine revs for a start, along with the greater pressure and oil flow and bingo), just when Dingo finally worked out how to fix the problem the rockbreaker decided too, after 10yrs pack it in, now have a new Somomec and so far so good, because of the greater oil flow this breaker can run at, means I can now run the engine at near full revs (I run at approx 3/4 throttle) which supplies somewhere around 30-40 L/pm as recommended by the maker of the breaker, without fearing I am going to do damage where with the SBC60 I couldn't run it at Quarter engine revs or it would pour the oil out the seal,the fact the new breaker can run at a greater flow may also relieve the spiking, but on the recommendation of Dingo r&d have fitted a relief valve block in the line (mounted on the mount plate) with the valve relief pressure set at between 1700-1800psi around 120 bar working pressure as setout in the manual to hopefully stop the breaker spiking the pump. The pressures quoted are as the manual says the recommended working pressure. I wonder how many of you guys have really had a look at the working pressures and oil flow on these breakers. Since being convinced to fit the relief valve and the hydraulic system explained a little better to me have been taking a bit more notice of the larger machines and asking a few questions to find its not uncommon for machines to blow systems if they don't have a relief valve fitted. As the Manual says blank shots will cause damage.
Guys I certainly recommend you look at the recommended working pressures on your breaker and if not already fitted, fit or have a relief valve fitted with block fitted as close to as possible to the breaker, it may just solve some of the machine problems we have all been complaining about the last few years, especially if these machines were or had been using rockbreakers when all these problems we were having were being used..
Dippy
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
A problem I had yesterday with my breaker when it stopped working. After about 20 minutes of work it seemed to be hammering at a lot slower rate than wouldn't work at full throttle . I thought it may have been the none return valve so I removed it still no difference I than rang my mechanic to see if he had any thoughts on it he told me it may be the acumulator of flow I didn't think it was the flow as the machine sounded like it was struggling when the hammer stopped hammering at full throttle but would work at half throttle. I than rang Atlas Copco explained my problem the first question he asked me was how it was connected to the machine when I told him I use quick connectors he explained that these sometimes fail to allow oil to pass through. I than changed all 4 connectors it fixed the problem. This was a part that I didn't think could cause that problem but I now know different
Leo
Leo's Mini Excavations
Re: Can you put a breaker on a k9-3?
Hi All, A quick question regarding breakers and the usage of such. Do most of you use the breakers, SBC60, SBC115, LH70 or socomec, to break flat pads or is it mostly walls you break?
The reason for my question is that if your work is predominantly pad work then the best attachment you could get is the Hurricane/Cyclone, it is an attachment made in New Zealand, and is essentially a 200kg sledge hammer. The beauty of this attachment is that it pulverises the concrete and therefore breaks it away from most of the reinforcing mesh so dig out and removal is far easier, quicker and cleaner.
The first thought you may have is that it will knock your machine around too much, this is most definately NOT the case, it is actually easier on the machine than the standard rock/concrete breakers because the attachment has skids on the bottom which the attachment sits on, all the Dingo is doing is holding the Hurricane/Cyclone perpendicular to the surface.
The "Anvil" is picked up by a monkey on a continuous chain and then dropped from approximately 2.4 metres, this process takes 2 seconds at full noise on the Dingo K9-3 so you are getting 30 beats per minute. All you do is wait for the monkey to pick up the anvil and move backwards about 5cm then wait for the anvil to fall again, for really hard concrete you can let it drop 2 or 3 times in the one spot.
The attachment costs $9000.00 plus GST in New Zealand, which would be approximately $7000.00 plus GST in Aussie (all pricing subject to change without notice), plus any freight and customs charges. If you are interested in more info and to see them in action go to http://www.rocktec.co.nz/page/43-produc … e-breaker.
Regards
Matt Vartan
Sales Manager
Dingo NZ Ltd
P.S. The attachment weighs approximately 300kgs so with the SWL (Safe Working Load) of all the Dingo's being 250kgs (except the K9-2) I know it is ok, but to the best of my knowledge the Kanga has a MWL (Maximum Working Load) of 250kgs so i'm not sure if the Kanga would be able to lift it.
Last edited by Dingo NZ (2010-07-20 12:02:08)